I don't think they had good reason (it's been a long time) but I remember really hating the legion. All Discussions ... Perception- 9 The Legion must know when someone or something is nearby to defend themself and attack the creature or person. Feral ghouls are creatures found in the Mojave Wasteland in 2281. If you support the German occupiers just because you don't like it that the Poles are racist towards the sub-Saharan migrants, you are lost beyond hope. Just let them go. Right now, the Legion is at a point in development wherein they're highly militaristic and actively engaged in campaigns nigh constantly. I can be down with the idea that they are trying to unify people and distribute resources among the Mojave Wasteland, but unfortunately they appear IMO not to have a public service kind of mindset. Staunchly religious people's minds are dominated by emotion over analytic thinking, a study has suggested [–]Motherdragon64Chandler Bing 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). "Cartoonishly evil" refers to a fictional entity being so evil it's like they're basically a cartoon villain, black and white. One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". 1 Full dialogue table. Then Legate Lanius sees your rising power and tries to assassinate you. No low effort/meme content as posts. /r/falloutlore - The lore of the Fallout series, /r/classicfallout - Classic Fallout Games, /r/falloutmods - Fallout modding community. 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). Seems iffy to me. There are good reasons for them to 'underequip' their troops. Solicitors in Ilford, Essex. [–]HeruzuYes Man -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]splvtoon 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children). Restrict everything of the predecessor, the person who was, originally, for the people cracks down on everything and oppression is rampant, but shit gets done. I don't know where we could possibly get that idea from...maybe its from the first time when you meet them they're in the middle of massacring a town. If it had better outfits and much more content, I would side with them in every playthrough. but the Legion are irredeemably evil. A mostly peaceful, if somewhat selfish leader. Whatever, they're cruel, sadistic villains. People like him because it is easy to fall in love with social Darwinism and authoritarianism when society breaks down and people are pushed to the limit. Intelligence- 1 Legionaries have no reason … It works the same way in the Real World, with folks who claim to support equal rights but are unwilling to break immoral laws to support those rights. They raped and pillaged and enslaved and killed their way to the largest land kingdom, but that kingdom was possibly the most tolerant and safest kingdom, with "a naked virgin able to travel from one end to the other blindfolded and a pot of gold on her head", unaccosted. ". Totally!" Posts with clickbait, extremely vague, or misleading titles will be removed. I agree actually. Personally I don't defend the Legion because I don't mind a bit of bureaucracy if it means I can fill out some paperwork and have an armed squad come clear out the mole rats that ate my cat. There is no worse humiliation for a fighting man, nothing more demoralizing, than to see his wife or daughter raped by the enemy. [–]lodewijkbob 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Hah. Therefore this guy clearly isn't a cartoonish villain because he attempts to justify himself, even if his justification is even worse than if he never gave 1 at all. No. The Platinum Chip is a quest item in Fallout: New Vegas. The frank horrigan encounter is amazing. The Legion is more effective in getting rid of these people because they aren't bothered by things like due process. However, Caesar's Rome, an established civilian state, would survive him, and Rome is New Vegas. Now Germany being the head state of the EU, while hating Russia, knows that they cannot beat them and so bides their time. Caesar and Lannius repsectively. -Do not attack any Legion members you encounter on the map. Very true, and in this sense Caesar's Legion is actually a lot like the actual Roman armies. think "sexist and crucifixion obsessed slavers" is all there is to them. This is something I've always wished they would phase out. Walmart would rather pay wages, and have their workers figure room and board out for themselves. That's why its morally gray--the first we can point to say "he's evil! i almost wish i could have ghengis khan encounter this world and see just how he might handle it. But then things fell in disarray and new people came and raped and pillaged and killed with their iron fist first then adjusted to a more well-being stance. It's why people also say it is a very easy choice to make not to pick the Legion: of course it will be easy if you think "sexist and crucifixion obsessed slavers" is all there is to them. And then we have the arguments about how charismatic Caesar is. No dissemination of rumors / leaks without actual evidence. so yes u are right, the Legion does win. While you can certainly empathize with the Polish in wanting to reclaim their land, you know that this rebellion could only lead to the genocide of the Polish people. This would be doubly the case if Caesar died, as the Legate would follow the banning of technology to the letter of the law as thats exactly how his character is. Maybe choose what branch you work in, become a Frumentarri or a general of the army, maybe some other jobs at the camp. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Safety or no, there are no redeeming qualities. Being a part of the Empire, even if it will make fighting the Thalmor easier, will still cost the Nords their homogeneity due to the typical globalisation and migration effect that empires have. ", you just do it. in the second wave you'd have your slightly more experienced troops followed by your best troops with your oldest most experienced troops in the forth wave, now the 4th wave was equipped with a weapon similar to a pike there are two theories as to why this was the first is that they would be acting as camp defenders and to protect the troops from enemy cavalry in the event of a rout and the second theory is to stop men from retreating from the battlefield. The legion is a … What you see in the legion camp is not a civilization, it is the military. 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child). The status of raiders in the ncr has practically become a meme at this point. They do also buy slaves, as for the Mojave residents, they are mostly from Nipton(Who Legion hates) and the NCR(Who Legion hates). And how do you explain why they needed this guy and why they decided to kill him ? Caesar is trying to recreate Rome, but he only seems interested in all the bad parts of roman society like the torture, slavery, crucifixion, and decimation. [–]SabyZNCR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). And neither is Caesar or his Legion: I can very well imagine them existing in "real life", because there are already some pretty scare precedents of someone like that existing. They don't want to play the NCR every time, so they put themselves in the head of a legion soldier and try to think like them. ), [–]AltusIsXDLONG LIVE THE BEAR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). Fallout 4 already has many opportunities to craft, but it goes one step further and allows the player to establish new settlements or take control and manage existing ones, effectively recolonizing and civilizing the Commonwealth, one settlement at a time. Complaining about the Stormcloaks being evil is as ridiculous and asinine as it would be to complain that the Stormcloaks eat meat as opposed to being vegetarian. [–]SabyZNCR 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children), killing and enslaving a large amount of the population. So why are there more slaves today, in this age of the most advanced technology the world has ever seen, than in any other year in the history of our species? It's so alien from what we consider civilization, and yet it stands very strong (albeit destined to crumble). Women actually had more rights in Ancient Rome than they do in the legion. But when I succeed Caeser, I'll make it all better.". Well OP it seems you see that people are making the exact same arguments as the ones you already know are nonsense in this thread still. I'm a simple guy like that. [–]taw -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (3 children). "Pure evil" is something invented by religion and cartoons directed at children, or very bad movies who think "villainy" is something you choose to do for the sake of it. And if he turns countless people's lives into a living hell to achieve that, he thinks they're worth sacrificing to his ego. [–]flipdark95Brotherhood I make stuff I guess 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (7 children). Which brings me to the next point. [–]SerDagon 120 points121 points122 points 3 years ago (1 child). "Patrolling the Mojave...", you know the drill. [–]superlucci 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children). Like starting with the worst parts of a corrupt government and then trying to build a friendly facade around it, as opposed to starting off with a good mission that inevitably becomes more and more corrupt as power accumulates. Reasons to support the Empire: By the way, I really suggest you proofread your comments in the future. When logged in, you can choose up to 12 games that will be displayed as favourites in this menu. As usual, soldiers are fools & tools. From what Caesar says, and I agree, the Legion you see now is only "temporary" until the NCR is annexed and the Legion thus transformed. They see a fast-growing fast-spreading faction and think "they must be doing something right; therefore, they must be right. I'm sure successors would step up but I don't think the Legion is capable of creating leaders as charismatic as Caesar. Which is why it is a shame we never got to see a true Legion-controlled settlement rather than just military camps and war zones. 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